Guest #32 | Pastor Dr. Bob Thiel
Faith, Identity, and the Real Jesus.
In this thought-provoking interview, Dr. Bob Thiel unpacks the life, legacy, and divine identity of Jesus Christ—through the lens of scripture, theology, and prophecy. Whether you're a believer or skeptic, this conversation challenges assumptions and deepens the question: Who Killed Jesus?
🎙️DSD INTERVIEW #32 | Pastor Dr. Bob Thiel: Pastor. Theologian. Christian: Who is Jesus?
✝️ Religion, Prophecy & the End of Times | Dr. Bob Thiel Breaks It All Down
Episode Description: Dr. Bob Thiel joins Deep Shallow Dive to explore Christianity vs. Catholicism, who wrote the Bible, Jesus’ true role, Trump’s unintended consequences—and why we may be closer to the end than we think.
Is Modern Christianity Still Rooted in Its Original Faith?
In this deep-cut episode of Deep Shallow Dive, host Ray Doustdar sits down with Dr. Bob Thiel, a theologian, author of over 35 books, and pastor of the Continuing Church of God. They unpack major themes around faith, scripture, prophecy, and the intersection between religion and geopolitics—from the authorship of the Bible to end-time timelines and who really killed Jesus.
Dr. Thiel explains why many modern interpretations of Christianity have drifted far from their biblical origins. He shares how the terms “Christian” and “Catholic” evolved—and what ancient documents like the letters of Polycarp and the fragments of John reveal about the true canon of the New Testament. The conversation then expands to how Islam overlaps with Christianity, what prophecy says about the current state of the world, and why many of today's religious and political leaders may be misunderstanding divine timing.
The episode doesn’t shy away from controversy. Thiel discusses Trump, Biden, evangelical politics, and why many believers may be misreading prophetic signals. From Moses and Muhammad to Constantine and the Quran, this is a thought-provoking dive into the spiritual framework behind today’s global chaos.
📘 Who Is Dr. Bob Thiel?
Dr. Thiel is the founder of the Continuing Church of God and a prolific theologian known for his scholarly and scripturally rooted interpretations of prophecy, end times, and world leaders. He has written books on Trump, Obama, Hillary Clinton, prophecy, and the origins of the Bible—and regularly publishes free resources at ccog.org.
💥 Key Topics in This Episode
What’s the difference between Christian and Catholic?
The origin and assembly of the Bible (and who wrote it)
Why Polycarp may have preserved the full New Testament
Who really killed Jesus—and why it fulfilled prophecy
What Islam and Christianity agree on (and where they don’t)
Trump’s unintended role in accelerating end-time prophecy
Why voting, militarism, and nationalism conflict with early Christian teachings
The case against evangelical Trump worship
What the Bible and Quran actually say about peace, war, and the Messiah
🧠 What You'll Learn
The real meaning of “Messiah” (and who claims Jesus as one)
How the terms “Christian” and “Catholic” were historically used
What Islam originally taught about Jews, Christians, and scripture
Why Constantine’s vision changed Christianity forever
Prophecies from Daniel, Revelation, and Islamic texts about peace treaties, Antichrist rule, and the return of Christ
Why Trump’s global policies may be unwittingly triggering biblical events
The theological case for not voting or engaging in partisan politics
🕊️ Are Christians & Muslims Actually Aligned?
Dr. Thiel points out that both Christians and Muslims believe in Jesus as the Messiah, expect his return, and reject the idea that he authored the Bible. In fact, many similarities between Islam and early Christianity are lost in today’s media narrative, which seeks to pit faiths against each other for political gain. He notes that Muhammad respected Christian scripture, and it wasn’t until political tensions with Greco-Roman Catholics that Islam became militarized.
“There’s no reason for Christians and Muslims to be at war. Both sides have lost sight of their origins.” — Dr. Bob Thiel
📚 Trump, Prophecy & Unintended Consequences
Dr. Thiel discusses his books “Donald Trump and America’s Apocalypse” and “Unintended Consequences of Trump’s Presidency,” laying out 13 key events that have fulfilled prophecies or triggered domino effects—including:
Rising European militarism due to Trump’s NATO pressure
Trade realignment between non-U.S. powers due to tariffs
Cultural division and spiritual distraction in the U.S.
Strengthening of the BRICS alliance
The political and spiritual stage being set for World War III, IV, and Armageddon
He explains how, while Trump may appear to fight globalism, his policies are pushing the world faster toward the prophetic end-time sequence described in the Bible—and surprisingly, also in Islamic eschatology.
⛪ Christianity vs. Evangelical Politics
Dr. Thiel clarifies that his denomination does not vote or engage in militarism, unlike many evangelical groups. He asserts this reflects original Christian teachings, and says current religious movements tied to nationalism and political leaders have departed from true biblical instruction.
✨ Final Takeaway: Hope After the Fall
Despite the dark prophetic landscape, Dr. Thiel shares a hopeful message: when Jesus returns, he will not destroy the world but restore it. The path forward may involve war, division, and suffering—but the ultimate outcome is redemption, peace, and the return of the Kingdom of God.
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